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Menachos 108a

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Menachot 108a

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Topic

The six נדבה collection boxes, leftover money from the כהן גדול's עשירית האיפה, and replacing a blemished עולה

Overview

The גמרא finishes listing בר פדא's explanation of the six נדבה collection boxes (שופרות). It then explains why the other views reject each earlier explanation: חזקיה (no fear of fights), רבי יוחנן (no fear of rotting coins), זעירי (we do not set a משנה like a lone opinion), and בר פדא (his categories are all leftover money, and the מעה goes to the שקלים). Two new explanations follow. שמואל says the six boxes are for leftover money from six kinds of קרבנות, and רבי אושעיא says almost the same but puts קינין in place of the כהן גדול's עשירית האיפה. The גמרא explains each one's choice, which leads to an argument over whether leftover money from the כהן גדול's עשירית האיפה goes to נדבה or must rot. רב חסדא and רבה read a ברייתא differently on this, matching an argument between רבי יוחנן and רבי אלעזר. A challenge from a משנה is answered, and רב נחמן בר רב יצחק proves from רבי יהודה's teaching that the money rots. Finally, a new משנה teaches that the redemption money of a blemished עולה may buy a different number or kind of animal, while רבי forbids this.

Opening lines

וְהַכְּבָשִׂים, וְהַשְּׂעִירִים,

And the lambs, and the goats,

וְהַמּוֹתָרוֹת, וְהַמָּעָה.

and the leftover money, and the extra ma'a.

כּוּלְּהוּ כְּחִזְקִיָּה לָא אָמְרִי,

All of them do not say like Ḥizkiyya,

לְאִנְּצוֹיֵי לָא חָיְישִׁינַן,

we are not concerned about quarreling,

The steps (28)

  1. StatementFinishing the list of donation categories
  2. RejectionWhy the others reject חזקיה: no worry about fights
  3. RejectionWhy the others reject רבי יוחנן: no worry about rotting
  4. RejectionWhy the others reject זעירי: a משנה is not set to follow one sage alone
  5. RejectionThe other views reject בר פדא: all his categories are really leftover money
  6. RejectionThe extra מעה does not need its own box
  7. ProofA ברייתא shows where the extra fee goes
  8. Statementשמואל: six boxes for money left over from six kinds of קרבנות
  9. Statementרבי אושעיא: almost the same list, but with bird pairs
  10. QuestionWhy does שמואל not count קינין?
  11. Responseקינין are already listed earlier in the משנה
  12. Challengeרבי אושעיא's version also lists קינין earlier
  13. ResolutionOne box for קינין, one for leftover קינין money
  14. QuestionWhy does רבי אושעיא not count the כהן גדול's offering?
  15. ResponseLeftover money from the כהן גדול's offering must rot
  16. ProofA ברייתא shows this opinion exists
  17. QuestionWhat does the ברייתא mean?
  18. Responseרב חסדא explains: מנחת חוטא goes to נדבה, the כהן גדול's offering rots
  19. Responseרבה's different reading of the ברייתא
  20. StatementThe same question is argued by רבי יוחנן and רבי אלעזר
  21. ChallengeA משנה lists leftover עשירית האיפה money as going to נדבה
  22. ChallengeIsn't the משנה talking about the כהן גדול's offering?
  23. ResolutionThe משנה means the sinner's meal offering
  24. Statementרב נחמן בר רב יצחק favors the view that the money rots
  25. ProofOnly the sinner's meal offering is called a חטאת
  26. ConclusionNot called a חטאת, so its leftover money rots
  27. StatementA blemished bull's money: one bull can become two, and two can become one
  28. StatementA blemished ram's money can buy a lamb, and a lamb's money can buy a ram