Menachos 57b

מנחות נ״ז ע״ב

Menachot 57b

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Topic

The ban on חימוץ for מנחת נסכים and לחם הפנים, the holiness of measuring vessels, and the ban on burning offering leftovers on the מזבח or its כבש

Overview

The ברייתא taught that ״אשר תקריבו״ adds one more offering to the ban on letting a מנחה become חמץ. The גמרא challenges each opinion. Against רבי יוסי הגלילי (מנחת נסכים), it argues that oil cannot make dough rise, and ריש לקיש answers that water may be added. Against רבי עקיבא (לחם הפנים), it argues that he holds dry measures are not holy, and רבי יוחנן answers by switching the names. The גמרא then brings the ברייתא where רבי יאשיה and רבי יונתן argue over which measuring vessels were anointed, and explains that their dispute is about the word ״אותם״. רב פפא and אביי discuss the kneading bowl, and the גמרא explains why a holy עשרון would never be swapped for an ordinary one. Then a new ברייתא learns from ״ממנו״ that leftovers of offerings may not be burned on the מזבח, and רב ששת explains how שתי הלחם and לחם הפנים are included. Finally, רבי יוחנן and רבי אלעזר argue whether bringing such leftovers onto the כבש alone makes a person liable.

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The steps (23)

1. ChallengeFruit juices do not make dough rise
2. Resolutionמנחת נסכים may be kneaded with water
3. ChallengeChallenge to רבי עקיבא from the dry measure
4. ResolutionSwitch the names in the ברייתא
5. Proofרבי יוחנן is consistent with his own view
6. ProofThe ברייתא: רבי יאשיה says dry measures were anointed on the inside
7. Statementרבי יונתן says dry measures were not anointed at all
8. QuestionWhat is the disagreement based on?
9. ResponseThey disagree about what the word "אֹתָם" leaves out
10. ChallengeWhy not also say that רבי עקיבא and רבי יונתן agree?
11. ResolutionThey disagree about liquid measures
12. Challengeרב פפא: The Kneading Bowl Should Make the Dough Holy
13. Resolutionאביי: The Dough Was Kneaded on a Leather Spread
14. ChallengeThen רבי יאשיה Could Have Answered רבי יונתן the Same Way
15. ResolutionThe Cases Are Different: The Torah Requires the עשרון
16. QuestionNew ברייתא: Source for the Prohibition on Offering Up Non-Altar Sacred Foods
17. ResponseThe source is the word 'of it' in the verse of leaven and honey
18. ChallengeBut the two loaves and the showbread have nothing burned
19. ResolutionNothing from their own body is burned, yet they still count
20. StatementIs bringing them only onto the ramp also forbidden?
21. Proofרבי יוחנן's source: the ramp counts like the altar
22. QuestionWhat is רבי אלעזר's reason for exempting?
23. ResponseThe word 'them' limits the ramp rule to first-produce offerings