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Menachos 5a

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Menachot 5a

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Topic

An אשם מצורע slaughtered שלא לשמו, and how a מנחת העומר whose קמיצה was done שלא לשמה can go on the מזבח

Overview

The amud opens by finishing the discussion of רב's ruling that an אשם מצורע slaughtered שלא לשמו is invalid. A ברייתא says such an אשם is still offered on the מזבח, and the מצורע just needs another one, so רב is refuted with a תיובתא. The גמרא then turns to ריש לקיש's ruling: a מנחת העומר whose קמיצה was done שלא לשמה is valid, but its leftovers stay forbidden until a second עומר is brought. The question is how its handful can go on the מזבח if the new grain is still forbidden to ישראל. רב אדא בר אהבה answers with the rule אין מחוסר זמן לבו ביום, meaning something that becomes permitted that same day already counts as permitted. That answer survives a challenge from a ברייתא comparing birds and מנחות. It also survives רב ששת's challenge from the מצורע's oil, which רב פפא answers by saying the מצורע's order is special. But רב פפא's own challenge, about a חטאת slaughtered before the אשם, leaves the rule in trouble. So רב פפא gives a new reason: ריש לקיש holds that dawn itself permits the new grain. He begins to prove this from a joint statement of רבי יוחנן and ריש לקיש, which continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

דְּאָמַר מָר:

As the Master said:

גִּילַּח עַל אַחַת מִשְּׁלׇשְׁתָּן יָצָא.

If he shaved after one of the three of them, he has fulfilled his obligation.

מֵיתִיבִי: אָשָׁם מְצוֹרָע שֶׁנִּשְׁחַט שֶׁלֹּא לִשְׁמוֹ,

They raised an objection: a leper's guilt offering that was slaughtered not for its own sake,

אוֹ שֶׁלֹּא נִיתַּן מִדָּמוֹ עַל גַּבֵּי בְּהוֹנוֹת –

or none of its blood was placed on the thumb and big toe,

The steps (19)

  1. ProofSource showing a נזיר is not made fit by one specific offering
  2. ChallengeA ברייתא says the אשם מצורע slaughtered not for its sake is still offered
  3. Conclusionרב's view is refuted
  4. Statementרבי שמעון בן לקיש on an עומר whose קמיצה was done not for its sake
  5. ChallengeHow can a forbidden עומר be offered on the מזבח?
  6. ResolutionPermitted later the same day is not 'too early'
  7. ChallengeA ברייתא contrasting birds and מנחות
  8. ChallengeBirds can turn forbidden into permitted, מנחות cannot
  9. ChallengeThe ברייתא ends: laws found only in meal offerings
  10. ChallengeIf ריש לקיש is right, meal offerings would have such a case too
  11. ResolutionSame-day permission means it was never really forbidden
  12. Challengeרב ששת quotes the order of the leper's oil placements
  13. ChallengeWhy redo the oil if it was put on the same day?
  14. ResolutionThe laws of a מצורע are different
  15. Challengeרב פפא challenges from a חטאת slaughtered before the אשם
  16. ChallengeHow can רב פפא challenge from a מצורע case?
  17. ResolutionSlaughtering is not a Temple service
  18. Resolutionרב פפא gives a new reason for ריש לקיש
  19. ProofSource showing ריש לקיש holds that dawn permits