Menachos 73b
מנחות ע״ג ע״ב
Menachot 73b
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Topic
Which offerings a גוי may bring: the מחלוקת between רבי יוסי הגלילי and רבי עקיבא, and the source for רבי שמעון's rule about a כהן's מנחת חוטא.
Overview
This amud opens with the rule that a גוי's שלמים are offered as עולות and burned completely. The גמרא supports the rule with logic (a גוי's heart is fully for Heaven) and with the פסוק "אשר יקריבו לה׳ לעולה". רבא answers a challenge from a ברייתא by explaining that it is talking about שלמים a גוי brought for a Jew's atonement. רבי יוחנן answers a second challenge, from a גוי's מנחה, by showing that the two sources follow a מחלוקת. רבי יוסי הגלילי lets a גוי bring almost any offering except a נזיר's. רבי עקיבא allows only an עולה. The גמרא then shows that sources about a גוי's נסכים can fit either view, because רבי עקיבא's עולה includes everything that goes with it. Finally the גמרא turns to רבי שמעון's rule about a כהן's מנחת חוטא. A ברייתא gives the first reading of the פסוק, and רבי שמעון begins his own reading, which continues on the next amud.
Opening lines
שַׁלְמֵי הַגּוֹי – עוֹלוֹת,
Peace offerings of a gentile are burnt offerings,
אִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא קְרָא,
If you want, say a verse,
וְאִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא סְבָרָא.
and if you want, say a logical reason.
אִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא סְבָרָא –
If you want, say a logical reason:
The steps (25)
- StatementA gentile's peace offerings become burnt offerings
- StatementTwo possible sources, starting with logic
- StatementThe verse-based source
- ChallengeA ברייתא says a gentile's peace offerings are eaten
- Resolutionרבא: the ברייתא is about atoning for a Jew
- ChallengeA challenge from the meal offering of non-Jews
- ResolutionThe two sources follow two different תנאים
- ProofThe double word 'איש איש' includes non-Jews
- StatementA גוי can bring עולה, שלמים and תודה
- StatementA גוי can also bring birds, wine, frankincense and wood
- Statementרבי יוסי הגלילי: 'Burnt Offering' Only Excludes a Nazir's Offering
- Statementרבי עקיבא: A Gentile Brings Only a Burnt Offering
- ChallengeIsn't the Exclusion of Nazirite Already Learned Elsewhere?
- ResolutionBoth Sources Are Needed: Not Just the Offering, but Nazirite Status Itself
- QuestionWhose View Does the משנה About a Gentile's Libations Follow?
- ResponseSuggesting the משנה follows רבי יוסי הגלילי
- RejectionIt can fit רבי עקיבא too: an עולה with its accessories
- QuestionWho taught the ברייתא about a גוי and נסכים?
- ChallengeThe ברייתא seems to fit neither תנא
- ResolutionIt can fit either תנא
- QuestionWhere does רבי שמעון's rule come from?
- ResponseThe ברייתא: the כהן may do the service himself
- ChallengeMaybe the verse means a כהן's required מנחה is eaten
- ResolutionThe verse compares his required מנחה to his voluntary one
- Rejectionרבי שמעון: the verse says "the מנחה," not "his מנחה"