Menachos 75a
מנחות ע״ה ע״א
Menachot 75a
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Topic
Oil for the baked מנחות (mixing, smearing, pouring) and breaking מנחות into pieces
Overview
This amud first finishes a comparison between the two pan מנחות, the מחבת and the מרחשת: both get oil in the vessel first, pouring, and mixing. Next comes the argument between רבי and the חכמים over whether the oil is mixed in after baking, as loaves, or before baking, as flour. A ברייתא gives each side's פסוק and lays out each side's full order of work. The גמרא then explains that mixing as loaves is 'impossible' because a רביעית of oil cannot be spread over many loaves. Next, the גמרא learns from the פסוקים that oven-baked חלות are only mixed and רקיקין are only smeared, in the shape of a Greek chi (X). Two ברייתות disagree about whether the wafers are covered completely or just marked with an X, and what happens to the leftover oil. A new משנה teaches that every מנחה made in a vessel is broken into pieces, but the שתי הלחם and the לחם הפנים are not. The amud ends by asking how the word 'היא' is known to exclude the wafers from pouring rather than the מנחת כהנים.
Opening lines
מָה כָּאן – מַתַּן שֶׁמֶן בִּכְלִי,
Just as here – placing oil in a vessel [first],
אַף לְהַלָּן – מַתַּן שֶׁמֶן בִּכְלִי.
so too there – placing oil in a vessel [first].
וּמָה לְהַלָּן – יְצִיקָה וּבְלִילָה,
And just as there – pouring and mixing,
אַף כָּאן יְצִיקָה וּבְלִילָה.
so too here – pouring and mixing.
The steps (32)
- ConclusionBoth pan offerings share the same oil steps
- StatementThe משנה: mix as loaves or as flour?
- StatementEach side's פסוק
- ChallengeThe חכמים challenge רבי from the תודה loaves
- StatementThe full process according to the חכמים
- Statementרבי's method: mix the oil after baking
- QuestionWhy did the Rabbis say it is impossible?
- ResponseToo little oil for many baked loaves
- Statementמשנה: loaves are mixed, wafers are smeared
- ProofOnly loaves are mixed, not wafers
- ProofOnly wafers are smeared, not loaves
- QuestionWhat is the source for keeping mixing and smearing separate?
- Responseרבא: The תורה never writes 'smeared loaves' or 'mixed wafers'
- StatementThe משנה: smearing in the shape of a כי
- QuestionWhat does 'like a כי' mean?
- Responseרב כהנא: The Greek letter X
- StatementA ברייתא: half חלות and half רקיקין, the wafers smeared all over
- Statementרבי שמעון's view: X shape, leftover oil eaten by the כהנים
- StatementWafers brought alone use up the whole log of oil
- Statementרבי שמעון: smear in an X, and the leftover oil is eaten
- Statementמשנה: every מנחה made in a vessel must be broken into pieces
- QuestionWhat do the words 'in a vessel' leave out?
- Responseרב פפא: it leaves out the שתי הלחם and the לחם הפנים
- StatementThe פסוק includes all מנחות in breaking
- QuestionMaybe the שתי הלחם and לחם הפנים are included too?
- ResponseThe word 'אותה' leaves them out
- StatementAll meal offerings need oil poured on them
- QuestionMaybe even the oven-baked offering needs pouring
- Response'Upon it' leaves out the oven-baked offering
- QuestionMaybe only the loaves are left out, not the wafers
- Response'It' leaves out the wafers too
- ChallengeWhy not say 'it' leaves out the priests' offering?