Menachos 78a

מנחות ע״ח ע״א

Menachot 78a

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Topic

The flour measures of the תודה breads, and which kinds of מצה the מילואים and the נזיר bring.

Overview

The amud opens by finishing a discussion of the flour for the breads of the קרבן תודה. רב יצחק בר אבדימי finds a hint for ten עשרונים for the חמץ loaves in the spelling of ״תהיינה״. The ברייתא then learns ten for the מצה loaves from the חמץ loaves. The גמרא defends this against the rule that something learned by a היקש may not teach by another היקש, and it gives two answers. A new משנה follows. It teaches that the מילואים came with the three kinds of מצה of the תודה, while the נזיר brings only two kinds (no רבוכה), which totals ten Jerusalem קבין. The גמרא looks for a source that the מילואים included רבוכה, and it finds one in a היקש between חינוך and the anointing day. Along the way רב חסדא and מר בר רב אשי discuss how many עשרונים a new כהן גדול brings, and the גמרא shows that they do not really disagree. Finally a ברייתא links the נזיר's loaves to the תודה through ״שלמיו״ and limits the link with ״מצות״. רב פפא and דבי רבי ישמעאל each explain why the רבוכה is left out.

Opening lines

The steps (25)

1. StatementA hint for 'ten' in the word 'They shall be'
2. ChallengeMaybe the ten means a smaller measure
3. ResolutionThe verse speaks in tenths
4. QuestionWhere do we learn ten for the מצה loaves?
5. ResponseThe מצה matches the חמץ
6. ChallengeCan something learned by comparison teach by comparison?
7. ResolutionFrom itself and from another matter
8. ChallengeWhat about the opinion that it does count as a comparison?
9. Resolution'You shall bring' is an amplification
10. StatementThe מילואים loaves were like the מצה of the תודה
11. StatementThe נזיר's loaves: two kinds only, totaling ten Jerusalem קבין
12. QuestionWhere do we learn the inauguration law from?
13. Response"Oiled bread" in the verse means poached loaves
14. ChallengeMaybe "oiled bread" is just an oily loaf
15. ResponseA new source: the offering on the day of anointing
16. ProofThe verse compares inauguration to anointing, so both are poached
17. StatementA new כהן גדול brings two tenths of flour
18. StatementAnother view: three tenths
19. ResolutionNo real argument: it depends on earlier service as an ordinary כהן
20. StatementNext line of the משנה: the נזיר's loaves come in two kinds
21. StatementThe nazir's peace offering shares the thanks offering's measures
22. StatementLimiting the comparison with the word מצות
23. QuestionHow does the word מצות teach this?
24. Responseרב פפא: only breads called מצות carry over
25. ResponseThe school of רבי ישמעאל: general term and detail