Menachos 7b

מנחות ז׳ ע״ב

Menachot 7b

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Topic

קמיצה and קידוש in a כלי on the ground, whether blood and the קומץ become holy when split between two כלים, and leftover blood on the כהן's finger.

Overview

The amud opens by finishing רב ששת's proof that a כהן may take the קמיצה from a כלי resting on the ground. The proof is that the לחם הפנים משנה counts every כהן, yet never mentions anyone lifting the שלחן before the בזיכין are removed. רבא says this is obvious, and adds that a מנחה may also be sanctified in a כלי on the ground. He then asks whether קידוש קומץ follows the rules of a מנחה or of blood, and decides it follows blood. That forces him to take back his earlier ruling that a קומץ split between two כלים becomes holy. The גמרא looks for the source that split blood is not holy. It finds it in the sprinkling-water rule, the words 'וטבל' and 'בדם', and a ברייתא about the פר כהן משיח. From the words 'מן הדם', רבא learns that leftover blood on the finger is פסול, and he defends this against challenges from a ברייתא and from the פרה אדומה משנה. The amud ends by asking whether רבי אלעזר really holds that split blood is not holy, since he says the חביתי כהן גדול becomes holy in halves; the answer comes on the next amud.

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The steps (28)

1. ProofThe משנה never mentions lifting the Table
2. RejectionMaybe the משנה only lists the order of the services
3. ChallengeThe two משניות are not alike, since this one counts the כהנים
4. ConclusionConclusion: קמיצה may be done from a כלי on the ground
5. Statementרבא: both קמיצה and קידוש may be done in a כלי on the ground
6. Questionרבא asks which model the handful follows
7. Responseרבא answers: learn it from blood
8. ChallengeContradiction from רבא's ruling on a split handful
9. Resolutionרבא retracted his split-handful ruling
10. QuestionSource for blood not being sanctified in halves
11. Responseרב תחליפא's teaching about split sprinkling water
12. QuestionCan the sprinkling-water rule apply to blood?
13. QuestionThe other side of the question: maybe the rule comes from a פסוק
14. Responseרבי אלעזר rules that split blood is also not holy
15. Proofרבא brings a ברייתא about the פר כהן משיח
16. ResolutionWhy the תורה needed both 'וטבל' and 'בדם'
17. ResolutionWhy 'בדם' alone would not be enough
18. QuestionWhat does 'מן הדם' come to exclude?
19. Responseרבא: it excludes blood left on the finger
20. ProofThis supports רבי אלעזר
21. ChallengeA ברייתא about blood that sprayed onto a garment
22. ChallengeSo leftover blood on the finger is כשר
23. RejectionThe ברייתא means before or after each single sprinkling
24. Challengeאביי challenges רבא from the פרה אדומה משנה
25. Resolutionרבא: before finishing he wipes his finger
26. ChallengeWhere would he wipe his finger?
27. ResolutionThe finger is wiped on the edge of the bowl
28. ChallengeDid רבי אלעזר really say that? The case of the חביתי כהן גדול