Menachos 8b

מנחות ח׳ ע״ב

Menachot 8b

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Topic

Whether the parts of a מנחה are sanctified separately in a כלי שרת (רבי חנינא, רב and שמואל), and whether a קמיצה or a slaughter done inside the היכל is valid.

Overview

This amud opens with the end of רבי חנינא's view: the flour, oil and לבונה of a מנחה become holy in a כלי שרת only together. The גמרא asks why, according to him, the עשרון and the לוג were anointed. It answers that they serve offerings with only one ingredient: the מנחת חוטא and the oil of a מצורע. Next, the גמרא shows from שמואל's comment on a משנה about blood bowls that שמואל agrees with רב: one part of a מנחה can become holy without the other. The גמרא then examines רבי אלעזר's ruling that a קמיצה done in the היכל is valid. It defends this ruling against a challenge from the פסוק 'וקמץ משם', explaining that the פסוק only teaches that the קמיצה may be done anywhere in the עזרה. Finally, it turns to רבי יוחנן's ruling that שלמים slaughtered in the היכל are valid. It begins a challenge from a ברייתא about כהנים eating קדשים in the היכל during a siege, and this challenge continues on the next amud.

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The steps (22)

1. Statementרבי חנינא: neither part is sanctified without the other
2. ChallengeWhy was the flour measure anointed?
3. ResolutionFor the sinner's meal offering
4. ChallengeWhy was the oil measure anointed?
5. ResolutionFor the leper's log of oil
6. Proofשמואל agrees with רב, based on a משנה
7. StatementBlood bowls sanctify dry things too
8. ChallengeBut a מנחה with oil is wet
9. ResolutionThe פסוק teaches about the לבונה
10. ConclusionSo שמואל holds one part can become holy without the other
11. ResolutionCompared to blood, a מנחה counts as dry
12. StatementA handful taken inside the Sanctuary is valid
13. ChallengeA ברייתא says the handful is taken where a non-כהן may stand
14. ResolutionThe verse comes to include the whole courtyard, not to exclude the Sanctuary
15. ChallengeA burnt offering is special because it is fully burned
16. ResolutionLearn it from a sin offering instead
17. ChallengeA sin offering is special because it atones for כרת sins
18. ResolutionLearn it from a guilt offering instead
19. ChallengeAll of them are blood offerings, so none can be compared to a מנחה
20. ResolutionThe פסוק stops us from limiting קמיצה to the southwest corner
21. StatementPeace offerings slaughtered inside the Sanctuary are valid
22. ChallengeA teaching about priests eating inside the Sanctuary during a siege