Nazir 17a

נזיר י״ז ע״א

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Topic

A נזיר who vows in a בית הקברות: does the vow take effect, does he get מלקות, and must he linger there to be lashed?

Overview

This amud continues the argument between רבי יוחנן and ריש לקיש about someone who takes a נזירות vow while standing in a cemetery. ריש לקיש first deflects a challenge by saying the source is about someone who left and came back in. רבי יוחנן then brings a ברייתא showing that the vow of an impure person does take effect. Because of this, מר בר רב אשי recasts the argument. Both agree the vow takes effect, and they only argue about whether he gets מלקות. רבי יוחנן challenges ריש לקיש with inferences from the משנה and a ברייתא, and the גמרא answers both. Finally, an explicit ברייתא says such a person receives forty lashes, and ריש לקיש is refuted (תיובתא). רבא then asks whether he must linger in the cemetery before he is lashed. The גמרא starts working out what case רבא could mean, and the discussion continues on the next amud.

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The steps (14)

1. Resolutionריש לקיש: the case is one who left and came back in
2. ChallengeChallenge from the seventh day of an impure person who vowed
3. Resolutionמר בר רב אשי: everyone agrees it takes effect, they argue about lashes
4. ChallengeChallenge from the משנה: only the impurity offering is exempt
5. ResolutionThe משנה's wording only matches the next clause
6. ChallengeA ברייתא lists only one difference, implying both get lashes
7. ResolutionThey are equal in shaving, not in lashes
8. ChallengeThen the ברייתא should have listed lashes as a difference
9. ResolutionThe ברייתא lists only remedies, not punishments
10. ChallengeA ברייתא says outright he gets forty lashes
11. Conclusionריש לקיש's view is refuted
12. Questionרבא asks whether lingering is needed for lashes
13. QuestionWhat case is רבא asking about?
14. ChallengeIf he was warned, lingering makes no sense