Nedarim 29b

נדרים כ״ט ע״ב

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Topic

Does holiness lapse by itself? בר פדא's view, the delayed עולה, why a pledge to הקדש cannot be taken back, and a new question on בר פדא

Overview

The גמרא is looking at a ברייתא about a person who makes an animal holy now and gives it a different kind of holiness that starts after thirty days. The ברייתא's two cases only make sense if one is about קדושת הגוף and the other is about קדושת דמים. That suggests even קדושת הגוף can disappear by itself. This seems to refute בר פדא, who said holiness never lapses by itself. רב פפא answers that בר פדא reads the ברייתא as speaking only of a case where the owner did not say 'from now it is a שלמים.' The animal still becomes an עולה after thirty days, just like a woman who is betrothed 'after thirty days.' The ruling teaches that even if the owner changes his mind, he cannot back out. Even according to the view that a woman can back out, הקדש is different, because words spoken to the Most High are as final as handing an item to a person. The amud ends with a story: two scholars sitting before a dozing רבי ירמיה begin a question built on בר פדא's view, and the question continues on the next amud.

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The steps (11)

1. ProofWhy the ברייתא teaches two cases
2. ChallengeIf both cases are about holiness of value, the second case is unnecessary
3. ChallengeIs this a refutation of בר פדא?
4. Resolutionרב פפא rereads the ברייתא for בר פדא
5. ProofComparison to betrothal that starts after thirty days
6. ChallengeIsn't this obvious?
7. ResolutionThe case is where he changed his mind
8. ChallengeWhat about the view that a woman can retract?
9. ResolutionWords to Heaven are like a handover to a person
10. StatementTwo scholars sit before a dozing רבי ירמיה
11. QuestionStarting a question based on בר פדא's view