Nedarim 54a

נדרים נ״ד ע״א

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Topic

Does a נדר against ירק include דלועין? The dispute between the רבנן and רבי עקיבא about a שליח who has to check with his sender, and how that principle applies to a שליח who misuses הקדש.

Overview

The משנה teaches that someone who vows off ירק may still eat דלועין, but רבי עקיבא forbids them. The רבנן try to prove their view from a messenger sent to buy vegetables, and רבי עקיבא turns the same example into proof for his side. The גמרא asks how a vow on 'vegetables' could include gourds. עולא explains that the person said 'a vegetable cooked in a pot.' The גמרא then states the principle behind the dispute: if a שליח has to check with his sender about an item, is it a different kind or the same kind? אביי adds that even רבי עקיבא would not give מלקות for eating gourds. The גמרא then quotes a משנה in מעילה: a שליח who switches meat and liver is himself guilty of מעילה. רב חסדא says this משנה cannot follow רבי עקיבא, and אביי begins to answer that it can, an answer that continues on the next amud.

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The steps (16)

1. StatementThe משנה: does a vow against vegetables include gourds?
2. ProofThe רבנן's proof from a messenger sent to buy vegetables
3. Resolutionרבי עקיבא turns the proof around
4. StatementFresh versus dry Egyptian beans
5. ChallengeHow can a vow on vegetables include gourds?
6. Resolutionעולא: he said 'pot vegetables'
7. ChallengeMaybe 'pot vegetables' means vegetables eaten with pot food
8. ResolutionHe said 'a vegetable cooked in a pot'
9. QuestionWhat is the principle behind the dispute?
10. ResponseDoes checking with the sender mean 'different kind' or 'same kind'?
11. Statementאביי: even רבי עקיבא gives no lashes
12. StatementA משנה about a שליח who misuses הקדש
13. QuestionWho taught this משנה?
14. Responseרב חסדא: not like רבי עקיבא
15. ProofWhy it cannot be רבי עקיבא
16. Rejectionאביי: it can even fit רבי עקיבא