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Nedarim 69b

נדרים ס״ט ע״ב

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Topic

Saying both 'ratified' (קיום) and 'nullified' (הפרה) about a vow, and saying 'ratified for you today'

Overview

This amud continues רבה's questions about a husband or father who speaks about a vow using both הקמה (ratifying) and הפרה (nullifying). First the גמרא answers an earlier question from the מחלוקת of רבי מאיר and רבי יוסי about a person who names an animal as a תמורה for both an עולה and a שלמים. Then it adds that when the husband openly makes the הקמה depend on the הפרה, even רבי מאיר agrees the הפרה works. Next רבה asks what happens if he says 'ratified and nullified' at the very same moment. The גמרא answers from רבה's own rule: what cannot work one after the other cannot work at the same time either. Finally רבה asks a new question: does 'ratified for you today' quietly mean 'nullified tomorrow'? That question continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

תָּא שְׁמַע מִפְּלוּגְתָּא

Come and hear from the dispute

דְּרַבִּי מֵאִיר וְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי.

of Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Yosei.

דִּתְנַן: ״הֲרֵי זוֹ תְּמוּרַת עוֹלָה

As we learned: 'This is hereby a substitute for a burnt-offering,

תְּמוּרַת שְׁלָמִים״

a substitute for a peace-offering'

The steps (5)

  1. ResponseProof from the dispute about a double substitute
  2. ConclusionEven רבי מאיר agrees in this case
  3. QuestionRatified and nullified at the same moment
  4. ResponseAnswer from רבה's own rule
  5. QuestionDoes 'ratified today' mean 'nullified tomorrow'?