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Pesachim 63b

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Topic

Slaughtering the קרבן פסח while owning חמץ: the רבי יוחנן–ריש לקיש dispute about 'עַל בסמוך', whose חמץ counts, and two conflicting ברייתות

Overview

The תורה forbids slaughtering the קרבן פסח 'עַל חמץ', while חמץ is owned. ריש לקיש says one is liable only if the חמץ is with him in the עזרה. רבי יוחנן says he is liable even if it is not. The גמרא first suggests they argue whether 'עַל' means 'next to' (בסמוך). It then tries התראת ספק instead, but each idea seems already covered by another argument of theirs: the תודה bread for the first, and an oath to eat a loaf for the second. In the end it returns to 'עַל בסמוך' and shows with a צריכא that both the חמץ case and the bread case had to be taught. Next, רב אושעיא and רבי אמי establish that the חמץ of any member of the חבורה counts, but not a stranger's, because the פסוק links this איסור to 'ולא ילין'. From this רב פפא rules that the כהן who burns the fats is also included, and a ברייתא supports him. The amud ends with a second ברייתא that contradicts the first on the מקטיר and the מולק. The answer to that contradiction comes on the next amud.

Opening lines

אוֹ לְאֶחָד מִבְּנֵי חֲבוּרָה,

or to one of the members of the group,

וְעַד שֶׁיְּהֵא עִמּוֹ בָּעֲזָרָה.

and only if it is with him in the Temple courtyard.

רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן אָמַר:

Rabbi Yochanan said:

אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאֵין עִמּוֹ בַּעֲזָרָה.

even if it is not with him in the courtyard.

The steps (25)

  1. Statementריש לקיש: the חמץ must be with him in the courtyard
  2. Statementרבי יוחנן: liable even if the חמץ is not in the courtyard
  3. QuestionWhat is the root of their dispute?
  4. ResponseFirst suggestion: does 'on' mean 'right next to'?
  5. ChallengeBut they already argued about that once
  6. ProofThe source: the bread of the thanks-offering
  7. QuestionWhich wall is meant?
  8. Responseרבי יוחנן: the outer wall of ירושלים
  9. Responseריש לקיש: even the courtyard wall
  10. ResolutionSecond suggestion: an uncertain warning
  11. ChallengeThey already argued about that too
  12. ProofThe oath to eat a loaf today
  13. Statementרבי יוחנן's reason: no action was done
  14. Statementריש לקיש's reason: the warning was uncertain
  15. ResolutionBack to 'next to', and why the חמץ case alone is not enough
  16. ConclusionWhy the bread case is also needed
  17. ConclusionWhy the argument also had to be taught about חמץ
  18. QuestionWhat if only a group member owns חמץ?
  19. ResponseThe פסוק says 'חמץ', not 'your חמץ'
  20. ChallengeThen even someone at the end of the world?
  21. ResolutionLimited to those bound by 'ולא ילין'
  22. StatementA כהן burning the fats also violates the איסור
  23. ProofA ברייתא Supports רב פפא
  24. ChallengeA Second ברייתא Is Brought: רבי יהודה and the תמיד
  25. ChallengeThe Clash: Pinching a Bird Counts, Burning Fats Does Not