Succah 29a

סוכה כ״ט ע״א

Sukkah 29a

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Topic

Learning and vessels in the סוכה, when rain lets one leave, and eclipses as heavenly warnings

Overview

This עמוד opens by finishing a point from the previous עמוד: quick review of learning (גמרא) and deep analysis (סברא) are separate activities, shown by a story about the students of רב חסדא. רבא then lists which vessels stay in the סוכה and which go out. The גמרא settles the two versions about a lamp by the size of the סוכה. Next it defines the משנה's rain measure as rain that would spoil a dish of crushed grain. In a story, רב יוסף leaves the סוכה because of splinters, explaining to אביי that for a delicate person this counts as spoiling. A ברייתא teaches that someone who went inside because of rain need not return until he finishes his meal, or until he wakes and dawn rises. The גמרא explains the משנה's parable: the master poured water on the servant, a sign of rejection. This leads to a long discussion of eclipses as heavenly warnings, ending with the comfort that ישראל who do God's will need not fear them. It then lists sins that cause eclipses, and begins a list of sins that cause property to be lost to the government, which continues on the next עמוד.

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The steps (28)

1. Proofרב חסדא's students: quick review first, deep analysis after
2. Statementרבא: which vessels stay in the סוכה and which go out
3. StatementA second version: the lamp goes outside
4. ResolutionNo real dispute: large סוכה versus small סוכה
5. StatementThe rain measure: when a crushed-grain dish would spoil
6. StatementWind blows splinters, and רב יוסף leaves the סוכה
7. Challengeאביי challenges: the משנה requires the dish to spoil
8. Resolutionרב יוסף: for a sensitive person, this counts as spoiling
9. StatementNo need to go back to the סוכה in the middle of a meal or sleep
10. QuestionIs the word 'until he wakes' or 'until it gets light'?
11. ProofA proof from another ברייתא: 'until it gets light and dawn rises'
12. ChallengeWhy say the same thing twice?
13. ResolutionRead it as 'until he wakes up and dawn rises'
14. QuestionIn the משנה's parable, who poured water on whom?
15. ResponseThe master poured the water on the servant
16. StatementA solar eclipse is a bad sign for the whole world
17. StatementParable of the king who took away the lamp
18. Statementרבי מאיר: An eclipse is a bad sign for ישראל
19. StatementParable of the teacher with a strap
20. StatementSun eclipse warns the nations, moon eclipse warns ישראל
21. StatementWhere in the sky the eclipse happens
22. StatementThe color of the eclipse: war, hunger, or both
23. StatementThe timing of the eclipse: slow or fast punishment
24. StatementWhen a nation is punished, its gods are punished too
25. Conclusionישראל who do God's will need not fear the signs
26. StatementFour sins that cause the sun to be eclipsed
27. StatementFour sins that cause the heavenly lights to be eclipsed
28. StatementSins that cause homeowners' property to be taken by the government