Zevachim 104a

זבחים ק״ד ע״א

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Topic

When an עולה becomes פסול: does the hide (עור) still go to the כהנים? The מחלוקת between רבי and רבי אלעזר ברבי שמעון, and whether it matches the מחלוקת of רבי אליעזר and רבי יהושע.

Overview

The גמרא first explains that 'after הפשט' means after the animal became fit to be flayed, which is after זריקת הדם. It then quotes a ברייתא. רבי says the blood makes the hide acceptable on its own. רבי אלעזר ברבי שמעון says the hide depends on the meat, but a פסול after זריקה still leaves the hide for the כהנים. The גמרא suggests that this matches the מחלוקת of רבי אליעזר and רבי יהושע about whether blood and meat depend on each other, but rejects the match. Both views can fit רבי יהושע, since he might agree the blood works when the כהנים would lose the hide, just as he agrees the blood works דיעבד. Next the גמרא defends רבי חנינא סגן הכהנים, who said he never saw a hide go out to be burned. It narrows his claim step by step to a stripped hide of a disqualified קרבן, and it shows that he holds the blood still works for a טריפה found in the inner organs, as רבי עקיבא learned from him. רבי יוחנן rules like רבי עקיבא, but only when an expert permitted the בכור. The final הלכה, however, follows the חכמים: the meat is buried and the hide is burned. The amud ends with a new משנה about where the burned bulls and goats are burned, and when they make clothing טמא.

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The steps (28)

1. QuestionWhat does 'after flaying' mean?
2. ResponseIt means before or after the animal became fit to be flayed
3. QuestionWhat exactly are the two opinions?
4. Responseרבי: blood makes the hide acceptable on its own
5. Responseרבי אלעזר ברבי שמעון: after זריקה the meat was accepted for a moment
6. QuestionSuggestion: is this the same as the מחלוקת of רבי אליעזר and רבי יהושע?
7. Statementרבי יהושע: no blood without meat, no meat without blood
8. Statementרבי אליעזר: Blood is thrown even without meat
9. QuestionProposed match: who follows whom
10. RejectionRejected: the argument fits only רבי יהושע
11. ResolutionHow both views fit רבי יהושע: the כהנים' loss
12. ProofSupport from the case where the blood was already thrown
13. ChallengeChallenge to רבי חנינא: some hides are always burned
14. ResolutionHe did not mean hides burned as part of the מצוה
15. ChallengeChallenge: an offering disqualified before skinning
16. ResolutionHe meant a hide that was already stripped off
17. ChallengeA case where a stripped hide should be burned
18. Resolutionרבי חנינא follows רבי
19. ResolutionIn practice, flaying never comes before the blood
20. ChallengeA טריפה discovered in the inner organs
21. ResolutionThe blood still works for a hidden טריפה
22. ProofProof from רבי עקיבא's words in the משנה
23. ChallengeWhat does רבי עקיבא add?
24. ResolutionThe rule applies even outside the מקדש
25. Statementרבי יוחנן rules like רבי עקיבא
26. StatementOnly when an expert permitted the בכור
27. ConclusionFinal ruling: the meat is buried and the hide is burned
28. StatementNew משנה: where the burned bulls and goats are burned