Zevachim 104b

זבחים ק״ד ע״ב

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Topic

The burned פרים and שעירים: when their carriers become טמא, where they are burned (בירה and the three בית הדשן), and whether לינה, early יציאה, or a partial exit disqualifies them

Overview

The משנה finishes the laws of the burned פרים and שעירים. The כהנים carry them out on poles, and each carrier's clothes become טמא once he passes the wall of the עזרה. רבי שמעון holds that only the burners become טמא, once the fire has caught most of the offering, and once the meat is fully scorched no one becomes טמא at all. The גמרא then explains the word בירה: רבי יוחנן says it is one spot on the הר הבית, while ריש לקיש says it is a name for the whole בית המקדש. Two versions follow of the three בית הדשן, the places of ashes: one in the עזרה, one on the הר הבית, and one outside the three מחנות. רבי ירמיה asks whether לינה disqualifies the burned bulls and goats, and every proof brought is pushed off. רבי אלעזר asks the same about leaving the עזרה too early, and that proof from לוי is pushed off too. Finally, רבי אלעזר asks how a small part of a limb is counted when about half the animal has gone out, a question that continues on the next amud.

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The steps (28)

1. StatementCarriers' clothing becomes impure once they leave the courtyard
2. Statementרבי שמעון: impurity starts only when the fire catches most of it
3. StatementOnce the meat is scorched, the burner is no longer affected
4. QuestionWhat is the בירה?
5. Responseרבי יוחנן: a specific spot on the Temple Mount
6. Responseריש לקיש: the whole Temple is called בירה
7. StatementThree ash places; the first is in the courtyard
8. StatementThe second ash place, on the Temple Mount
9. StatementThe third ash place, outside the three camps
10. StatementLevi's version of the three places of ashes
11. QuestionDoes leaving overnight disqualify the burned bulls and goats?
12. Proofרבא's proof that לינה does not disqualify them
13. RejectionIntention and overnight may be different
14. ProofA משנה lists לינה as disqualifying burned bulls and goats
15. RejectionThe משנה may mean the אימורין, not the meat
16. ChallengeThe end of the משנה talks about meat, so the beginning should too
17. ResolutionThe two parts of the משנה can be about different things
18. ProofA proof from לוי's teaching about offerings that became פסול when going out
19. Rejectionלוי meant טומאה or leaving too early, not לינה
20. Questionרבי אלעזר asks whether going out makes the burned bulls and goats פסול
21. QuestionWhy is this even a question?
22. ResponseThe question follows the view that leaving too early is a problem
23. QuestionThe two sides of the question
24. ProofTrying to prove it from לוי's teaching
25. RejectionNo, it means טומאה or לינה
26. QuestionDoes a small piece of a limb follow its limb or the whole animal?
27. ChallengeObviously we follow the majority of the animal
28. ResolutionRewording the question: half the animal went out with most of a limb