Zevachim 10a

זבחים י׳ ע״א

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Topic

Whether a thought during שחיטה about a later עבודה counts (רבי יוחנן and ריש לקיש, רב נחמן and רבה), and רבי אליעזר's view that an אשם שלא לשמו is invalid.

Overview

This amud opens with a dispute between רבי יוחנן and ריש לקיש about someone who slaughters an animal planning to sprinkle its blood or burn its fat for עבודה זרה. רבי יוחנן forbids the animal: a thought during one עבודה can affect another, and we learn חוץ from פנים. ריש לקיש permits it on both counts. The גמרא explains why we need their argument both here and in the earlier קרבן case of שלא לשמה. רב ירמיה supports רבי יוחנן with a קל וחומר, which is broken twice and finally rebuilt by רב אשי using a thought לשם פלוני. רבי אילא supports ריש לקיש from the extra verse about זריקה, and that proof goes through a back-and-forth of challenges and answers. רבה then retracts and agrees with רב נחמן that a חטאת slaughtered with a plan to do the זריקה שלא לשמה is invalid, because of רב אשי's קל וחומר. Finally, the גמרא turns to רבי אליעזר's view that an אשם brought שלא לשמו is also invalid. רבי יהושע and רבי אליעזר trade comparisons to חטאת and פסח, and רבי יהושע's next reply continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

The steps (24)

1. StatementSlaughtering with intent for idol worship: רבי יוחנן forbids
2. Statementריש לקיש permits the animal
3. ResolutionWhy the idol-worship dispute alone would not be enough
4. ConclusionWhy the Temple dispute alone would not be enough, so both are needed
5. Statementרב דימי reports support for each side
6. Proofרב ירמיה's קל וחומר for רבי יוחנן
7. Challengeרבא בר אהילאי: חוץ לזמנו is stricter because of כרת
8. Resolutionרבא בר אהילאי rebuilds the proof using חוץ למקומו
9. Challengeרב אשי Challenges the Comparison to חוץ למקומו
10. Resolutionרב אשי Rebuilds the Proof from a Thought for Another Person
11. Proofרבי אילא Brings Support for ריש לקיש
12. Challengeרב פפא: The Extra Wording May Teach the Opposite
13. ResolutionThe verse is not needed to teach carry-over, so it must teach the opposite
14. Challengeזריקה cannot be learned from שחיטה and קבלה
15. ResolutionWe are dealing with שלמים, so the stricter features do not matter
16. Statementרב נחמן and רבה argue about slaughtering with a שלא לשמה thought about the זריקה
17. Conclusionרבה changes his mind because of רב אשי's קל וחומר
18. StatementNew topic: רבי אליעזר includes the אשם
19. Proofרבי אליעזר compares אשם to חטאת
20. Challengeרבי יהושע: חטאת is stricter because its blood goes above
21. Resolutionרבי אליעזר: פסח proves the point
22. Challengeרבי יהושע: פסח has a fixed time
23. Resolutionרבי אליעזר Points Back to the Sin Offering
24. Rejectionרבי יהושע Begins His Reply