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Zevachim 9b

זבחים ט׳ ע״ב

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Topic

The צריכותא of the three פסח פסוקים, מבוג's teaching on נחשון's חטאת, changing between kinds of חטאת or owners, and intent from one עבודה to another

Overview

The amud opens by finishing an earlier discussion. Three פסוקים teach that a leftover קרבן פסח is brought as a שלמים, and the גמרא shows that each one is needed for a different situation of the animal. Next, רב quotes מבוג about a חטאת slaughtered for the sake of נחשון's חטאת. רב משרשיא challenges the first version from a ברייתא about מנחות. The גמרא then reworks מבוג's teaching several times, ending with two versions that both treat נחשון's חטאת as an עולה. רב rules on a חטאת for חלב slaughtered in the name of other kinds of חטאת, and רבא asks about the חטאת for טומאת מקדש. רב אחא בריה דרבא teaches that every such change makes the offering פסולה, and moves רבא's teachings over to a change of owner. רבא's question ends in תיקו. Finally, רבי יוחנן and ריש לקיש argue about a חטאת slaughtered לשמה with a plan to sprinkle its blood שלא לשמה, and the גמרא begins to show that each follows his usual reasoning, a point that continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

חַד לְעִיבְּרָה זְמַנּוֹ וְעִיבְּרָה שְׁנָתוֹ,

One verse is for where its time passed and its year passed,

וְחַד לְעִיבְּרָה זְמַנּוֹ וְלֹא שְׁנָתוֹ,

and one is for where its time passed but not its year,

וְחַד לְלֹא עִיבְּרָה לֹא זְמַנּוֹ וְלֹא שְׁנָתוֹ.

and one is for where neither its time nor its year passed.

וּצְרִיכִי; דְּאִי כְּתַב רַחֲמָנָא חַד,

And they are needed; for if the Merciful One had written only one,

The steps (28)

  1. ResponseThree verses for three different situations
  2. ResolutionWhy one verse would not be enough
  3. ConclusionWhy two verses would not be enough
  4. StatementA sin offering slaughtered for the sake of נחשון's sin offering
  5. Challengeרב משרשיא brings a ברייתא of רבי שמעון about מנחות
  6. StatementThe reason: a meal offering's preparation shows what it is
  7. StatementAnimal offerings all look the same
  8. ChallengeWhy not one law for all meal offerings?
  9. ResolutionA new version of מבוג's ruling: no atonement for the dead
  10. ChallengeWhy mention נחשון and not just any dead person
  11. ResolutionA living person like נחשון would make it פסולה
  12. ChallengeBut a נזיר's and a מצורע's חטאת are like עולות
  13. Resolutionמבוג's teaching restated: a sin offering for someone like נחשון is valid
  14. StatementA second version: a sin offering slaughtered in the name of נחשון's offering is invalid
  15. ChallengeWhy not mention a nazirite's or a leper's sin offering?
  16. ResolutionHe chose the original sin offering
  17. StatementOne kind of sin offering slaughtered in the name of another kind stays valid
  18. StatementSlaughtered in the name of a נזיר's or מצורע's sin offering, it is unfit
  19. Questionרבא asks about slaughtering in the name of the sin offering for impurity of the Temple
  20. Statementרב אחא son of רבא teaches that every case is unfit
  21. Challengeרב אשי asks how רבא's question fits
  22. Resolutionרבא's words are about a different owner
  23. Questionרבא's question asked again as a change of owner
  24. ConclusionThe question stays unanswered
  25. StatementSlaughtered properly, but planning to sprinkle the blood for the wrong offering
  26. StatementWhy רבי יוחנן says it is unfit
  27. StatementWhy ריש לקיש says it is fit
  28. StatementThey follow their usual reasoning