Zevachim 84a

זבחים פ״ד ע״א

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Topic

Which פסול items stay on the מזבח once they went up: ריש לקיש's chart, the משנה of 'אם עלו לא ירדו', and the ברייתא's source from "זאת תורת העולה"

Overview

This amud finishes ריש לקיש's chart of which פסול מנחות and נסכים stay on the מזבח once they went up, according to רבן גמליאל, רבי יהושע, רבי שמעון and the others. The גמרא asks why such a chart was needed. It answers that the chart shows a מנחה can come by itself, like רבא's rule. The chart also shows that נסכים brought on a later day, after their animal, still count as coming with the זבח. Then a new משנה lists פסול offerings that are not taken down once on the מזבח. רבי יהודה and רבי שמעון disagree about three more cases. רבי שמעון's rule is that a problem which began in holiness is accepted by the מזבח, while animals that were unfit from the start come down. The משנה adds that whatever came down is not brought back up, and a live animal always comes down. The גמרא then brings a ברייתא showing how רבי יהודה and רבי שמעון each read the פסוק "זאת תורת העולה". It begins to explain why one group is included and the other left out, and that answer continues on the next amud.

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The steps (21)

1. StatementA meal offering that comes with an animal offering
2. StatementLibations alone and libations with an animal offering
3. ChallengeIsn't this summary obvious?
4. ResolutionNeeded for a meal offering that comes alone, like רבא
5. ChallengeThen just quote רבא's rule
6. ResolutionNeeded for libations brought with an animal, offered on a later day
7. ResolutionLate libations still count as coming with the animal
8. StatementDisqualified offerings that stay on the altar
9. StatementThree disputed cases: night, spilled blood, blood outside
10. Statementרבי שמעון's rule: the holy place accepts what became unfit inside it
11. StatementAnimals whose problem started before the holy service
12. StatementDisagreement about blemished animals
13. StatementWhat came down does not go back up
14. StatementLive animals come down; a burnt offering slaughtered on top is handled there
15. Statementרבי יהודה's three limiting words
16. Statementרבי שמעון begins: the word עולה includes disqualified offerings
17. Statementרבי שמעון's list continues: blood put in the wrong place
18. ResponseLast case on the list, and the answer from the words "The law of the עולה"
19. StatementThe word "This" leaves out a different group of animals
20. QuestionWhy include the first group and leave out the second?
21. ResponseThe answer begins: "After it included"