Zevachim 85a

זבחים פ״ה ע״א

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Topic

Whether one who offers outside the עזרה an animal that was invalidly slaughtered inside (at night) is liable, and עולא's rule about אימורים of קדשים קלים placed on the מזבח before זריקת הדם

Overview

This amud opens by finishing רבי יוחנן's argument: someone who slaughters an animal at night and offers it outside is liable, because his case is no better than slaughtering and offering outside. רב חייא בר אבין challenges him from a משנה that exempts someone who slaughters a bird inside and offers it outside. The גמרא calls this a תיובתא, then adds that a bird slaughtered inside may count as simply killed. Next, עולא rules that אימורים of קדשים קלים put on the מזבח before זריקת הדם do not come down, because they have become the 'bread of the מזבח'. רבי זירא tries to prove this from the משנה's list, but the גמרא limits that list to קדשי קדשים and explains the פסח there as slaughtered שלא לשמן. A second proof, from 'all of them that went up alive come down', is also pushed off: that line is about live animals with a small eye blemish, following רבי עקיבא. This raises a question about the משנה's next clause, which says an עולה slaughtered on top of the מזבח is flayed and cut there. The גמרא explains that clause in two ways, depending on whether flaying on top of the מזבח is allowed. It ends by explaining why the innards are taken down and rinsed: so they are not offered with their dung.

Opening lines

The steps (25)

1. Statementרבי יוחנן's reasoning: no better than slaughtering outside
2. ChallengeChallenge from a bird slaughtered inside and offered outside
3. ConclusionThe objection stands as a refutation
4. ResolutionPossible defense: slaughtering a bird inside is just killing it
5. Statementעולא: אימורים offered before זריקת הדם do not come down
6. Proofרבי זירא brings support for עולא from the משנה
7. RejectionThe proof is limited to the most holy offerings
8. ChallengeBut the פסח in the list is a lesser offering
9. ResolutionThe פסח case is about wrong intent
10. ProofA new proof from animals that went up alive
11. RejectionSlaughtered ones: some come down, some don't
12. ChallengeBut the משנה says 'all of them'
13. Resolution'All of them' refers only to live animals
14. ChallengeIsn't that obvious?
15. ResolutionLive animals with a small eye blemish, following רבי עקיבא
16. ChallengeThe next clause: a live עולה slaughtered on top is flayed and cut there
17. ResolutionThe later clause is about a kosher animal
18. QuestionWhat is the later clause teaching?
19. ResponseFlaying and cutting may be done on top of the מזבח
20. ChallengeWhat about the opinion that forbids flaying on top of the altar?
21. ResolutionThe animal was fit for a moment and then became disqualified
22. ChallengeWhy take the innards of a disqualified offering down?
23. ResolutionThey must be taken down so they are not left with their dung
24. ChallengeThe real question is why they are rinsed
25. ResolutionIn case another כהן offers them by mistake